Tuesday, August 02, 2005

One problem solved


Richard Seymour ended his holdout. I'm not a fan of holdouts, but at least he was quiet about it without ripping his team and teammates (unlike you know who). Plus, the holdout worked; he got some more money.

7 comments:

Alan said...

1. His history. Before his holdout, fans loved him because of his production and he seemed like a good guy.
2. The way he held out. He didn't say one bad word about the Pats. He just stayed quiet which fans appreciate. Nothing sounds worse than an athlete complaining about money.
3. Many agreed with his holdout. He was extremely underpaid. This isn't like Terrell Owens who made 8 million last year and is begging for more.
4. It's the Patriots. Fans have a good reason to feel positive about this team.

Alan said...

I'm willing to admit that the Patriots aren't in fantasy land. They have unselfish players, but most of them still care about money a lot. Players on the Patriots do look out for themselves.

Patriotsy2k, you can't compare a professional team to "regular people" working at regular jobs. The nature of contracts and the profession is a little bit different than mine.

There are people who refuse to work so they can get paid more(organized unions/strikers).

I still don't like that Seymour held out, but I'm not going to completely change my opinion of him because of it.

And what am I exactly "wrong" about Patriotsy2k? You wanted to know why fans aren't that upset about the holdout and I gave you some good ones. You don't have to agree with each reason, but I don't think I'm wrong when I say those four reasons are why fans aren't that upset.

Alan said...

If any Boston player like Sheffield admitted that he committed errors on purpose so he could get traded, I wouldn't like him.

I said I didn't like Seymour's holdout, but I'm not going to criticize him as much as T.O. T.O. started complaining about his contract less than a year after he signed it and he trashed his teammates.

As for Dillon, I think most fans, no matter what city they're in, give a player with baggage a fresh chance when they go to a new team. Philly fans did it with T.O. originally, Yankee fans did it with Dwight Gooden.

Alan said...

No.

Dillon was a discontent in Cinci, but I don't remember him fumbling on purpose

Alan said...

It's a pretty normal attitude of ALL fans to be biased towards the players on the fans they like. Just to pin it on Boston fans is stupid.

Meanwhile, Patsy2k, who I think likes the Patriots, is criticizing Seymour, and I've been criticicizing David Wells, Antoine Walker, and Paul Pierce. So I guess Boston fans are capable of being critical of Boston athletes.

I didn't like Dillon before he came to the Pats because of his reputation of being a malcontent,but as I said before, fans tend to give a players a fresh chance when they join their new team. So far I like what I've seen.

Alan said...

If you're unbiased that means you judge each player the same no matter what uniform they wear. You just admitted you root for former players because they're former Mets. That makes you biased. You don't want Kent on the Mets but if he ended up on the Mets you'd root for him, just like I'd root for Clemens if he somehow ended up back on the Red Sox.

Does Sheffield being a Yankee affect how I judge what he did in the past? Yes. What team a player plays for will affect my judgement of him. None of us are objective reporters.

And Patriotsy2k, if Lambier joined the Celtics, you'd be cheering with me if he gave Magic Johnson a hard foul.

Boston fans hated Chris Nilan (an NHL version of Bill Lambier) when he was a goon for the Bruins' rivals, the Canadians. When he joined the Bruins, Boston fans cheered for him.

I think I've said this many times; I don't like that Seymour held out, but I'm not going to obsess over it. Patriotsy2k, have you forgiven Ted Johnson yet for selfishly walking out of camp a few years ago?

Alan said...

I've found myself more loyal to teams, than the players themselves. I do root for former Boston players and players who have never played for Boston. However, I'll admit that as long as a player is producing for my team, I'll tolerate some of his flaws.

It is difficult to imagine rooting for Bill Lambier, and I do hate him. However, can you think of a player new to a Boston team that wasn't cheered for at first? Plenty of players became unpopular as they stayed in Boston (Wil Cordero, Carl Everett),but I can't think of many that were hated right away because of what they did for past teams.