Wednesday, May 11, 2005

Way to go Roger

It's amazing what Clemens is doing at his age, and it's a shame (for him, not me) that he's getting no run support. People have claimed that Roger's struggles with the Sox in his last few years was due to a bad bullpen and poor run support. I was actually looking at Tony Pena's stats, and Clemens' stats jumped out at me.

1993: 11-14, 4.46 ERA
1994: 9-7, 2.85 ERA
1995: 10-5, 4.18 ERA
1996: 10-13, 3.63 ERA

1997 with Blue Jays: 21-7, 2.05 ERA (And people wonder why Sox fans don't like him)

Dan Duquette's gotten too much criticism for "letting" Clemens go.

14 comments:

Patriotsy2k said...

Alan, where did you get those numbers? In '96 the Sox had a winning team (around 86 victories) so seeing the best pitcher with a losing record is a little surprising. He even had a 20k game that year. In '95 the sox won the division (the last time they have done that) with a 86-58 record. How did he only have 10 wins? The '97 record sounds right....did he win the Cy that year also? He definately won in 98.

Alan said...

The stats are here: http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/clemero02.shtml

Alan said...

He did win the Cy in 97

Kris in Key West said...

Dan Duquette's name should never be said out loud.

Patriotsy2k said...

I am going to double check this info, and come back to you with my final analysis.

The Godfather said...

Clemens definitely won the Cy in 1997.
The last Red Sox division title was clinched by a sliding Tom Brunansky catch in RF in 1995. Where is Tom Brunansky now? Will his number be retired by the Sox?

Alan said...

Right after the Mets retire Daryl Boston's number.

Patriotsy2k said...

You got it all wrong, godfather. While being "educated" in the history of baseball in my lifetime, and without sounding "unintelligent", I am going to tell you that that Brunansky catch was in the regular season finale in 1990. Rick Aguilera had the honor of closing out the 1995 division, before he fled back to Minnesota in the offseason.
I guess you took your medicine.

Patriotsy2k said...

Alan, after doing some research online, I found that MLB.com is a reliable source of baseball stats. Lots of other sites appear informative, yet they then want to charge. You were dead on with those stats. I am still mystified how he only won 10 games in '95, and had that losing record in '96. Dont really remember much details about those years, cause I spent a lot of time ordering the "burnt-out" special and purchasing cases of Bud dry for 13.99/case.

The Godfather said...

patsy2k is of course correct on the year about brunansky. however, my memory was that a case of bud dry was around $12. I drank a few too many bud dry's in those days to remember what happened in 1995.
the best thing about the burnt out special was that they never wrapped the sub too tight and it was not difficult to open.

The Godfather said...

alan,
your comment is funny because about 2 weeks ago, there was a reference to daryl boston during a mets broadcast. beltran had hot a HR pretty high off the RF scoreboard that left a mark on it and they were comparing the longest HR's hit at Shea. Tommie Agee probably has the longest, but Mo Vaughn hit one pretty high off the scoreboard a couple of years ago. I believe it was against the Braves to win a game (but that may be as inaccurate as my Brunansky comment). Then they made reference to a HR Boston had hit. I do not remember the Boston HR since I have purged those Mets' teams from my memory.

The Godfather said...

one final post as I am interested in others' point of view.
There actually a lot of people who still like Clemens in Boston and mostly everyone has respect for him. The reason a lot of people do not like him is the way he left and then going to the Yankees. What I notice alot in Boston is that people want to see players fail once they leave. Clemens I can understand the way he left and Pedro is another good example. One player who I think Sox fans should want to see succeed is Lowe. But the one player I do nt understand is Nomar. He was traded away. He was probably the biggest fan favorite at one time in Boston. Now most people want to see him fail.

I compare it to how I felt about Mets' players leaving. Jeff Kent was always a bad clubhouse guy so I guess he is one that I don't really care if he succeeds or fails. Players that I have wanted to see succeed are Edgardo Alfonzo, Rick Reed, Ty Wigginton, Al Leiter.

To use a Pitino line about Boston. All the negativity in this town sucks. I can understand the Clemens and Pedro dislike, but why the others? Enlighten me.

Patriotsy2k said...

Godfather that burnt out special comment was pretty funny. Perhaps too many Bud Dry's that night caused you to forget that phone conversation.
Regarding Clemens and Pedro, they were our ace and decided to sign elsewhere, so I dont have to explain the animosity for them. Pedro is a lot more likeable, I will add. I root for D Lowe everytime he pitches, and watch him late nite on the dish. Now as for Nomar....you said it perfectly with the comment "at one time". Yes, at one time he was the Sox biggest and most beloved superstar. For several years, acutally. Yet popular athletes around Boston sometimes tend to be like relationships, you dont want to see them do well after they leave. It was like this with Curtis Martin also. Nomar was a negative athlete who hated Boston last July. Remember his attitude on the bench during the "Derek Jeter" game last year? What exactly happened to him during the 2003 offseason? Most sportswriters think the Sox covered up his soccer injury. Did people know that when the Sox beat the A's in game 4 of the ALCS in 2003, he yelled to his teammates on the team bus back to the airport "what are we so excited about, we are just going to get ripped once we lose!!".
I read a bunch of things about Nomar, after that trade. His latest comment about the Sox keeping keeping their ring is just another example. If you are a fan of the Red Sox, Nomar is not your friend anymore. I hope that sheds some light on Nomar....as Boston can be a negative town, sometimes there are reasons.

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